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Sonic qualities attributed to equipment racks

Last post Nov 01, 2009, 10:13 PM by Eddy41. (23 replies)
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Posted on Oct 27, 2009, 4:02 PM

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Gerrardasnails:
JoelSim:
KevinOK:

Ah yes, EMI, didn't think of that.


I think your statement on the language used in reviews is spot on here. It's not that I think a rack makes absolutely no difference at all, it's more that the very detailed descriptions of the sonic properties of racks in some reviews, like the Podium one, seem almost unbelievable.


Oh and thanks for your experience, I'll take equipment racks more seriously because of it (eventhough I'm still a bit sceptical about the large improvements that some reviews attribute to them).



Believe. When I bought my first hifiracks rack I put on a CD that I'd had for 20 years and sat open-mouthed listening to it as it was so much clearer, the bassline was much more prominent, more detail etc etc


Just ordered another (Podium this time) as it happens as I didn't want to lose what I'd gained. 


I agree with Joel on this. I used to have an Atacama rack which was too flimsy for my lightweight (at the time) equipment. I heard about hifiracks from Mr Sim and went for a solid walnut AV unit (made to my exact measurements). It is so solid and heavy, I doubt there are any vibrations. I also have granite chopping boards for my equipment to sit on. These look good, keep the temperature down from the boxes and were only cheap from Tesco.


 


They are also very useful when cooking a chilli and listening to music

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Posted on Oct 27, 2009, 4:23 PM

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well, I'll be honest ... my cdp/system sounds the same when placed on the floor or when placed on the soundstyle rack


perhaps, my cdp is a cheap one or I bought the wrong rack? ... but what the heck, only paid £70 for the rack 2nd hand and it looks nice  Embarrassed

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Posted on Oct 28, 2009, 9:24 AM

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Your floor, solid as it may be, is going to be vibrating at any reasonable volume.

Another way to reduce the effect of vibration on kit is to put blobs of Blutack on top of any electrolytic capacitors in it.
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Posted on Oct 28, 2009, 11:02 AM

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dim_span:

well, I'll be honest ... my cdp/system sounds the same when placed on the floor or when placed on the soundstyle rack


perhaps, my cdp is a cheap one or I bought the wrong rack? ... but what the heck, only paid £70 for the rack 2nd hand and it looks nice  Embarrassed



Or: both your rack and your floor are excellent! Or your CDP is of the non vibrating type. Or...


I'll admit I was curious, so I tried it too. I'm afraid it did nothing, no difference between my lightweight Ikea Expedit and my heavy oak floorboards.


There's tons of possible explanations, ranging from my ability to hear, to the hypothesis that minimal vibration does not cause a discernable difference to the signal in normal home listening situations. 


I don't have the answer, but I'm happy I won't have to invest in an expensive rack. That said if anyone does feel there's an improvement to SQ (real or not), then to you it's obviously worth it, so more power to you!

Posted on Oct 28, 2009, 4:18 PM

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KevinOK:
.......There's tons of possible explanations, ranging from my ability to hear, to the hypothesis that minimal vibration does not cause a discernable difference to the signal in normal home listening situations. 

I don't have the answer, but I'm happy I won't have to invest in an expensive rack. That said if anyone does feel there's an improvement to SQ (real or not), then to you it's obviously worth it, so more power to you!



KevinOK, you have tried an Ikea table and the floor and from that you have reached the conclusion that it is not worth getting an expensive rack. Can I repectfully suggest that you try an expensive rack before concluding it is not worthwhile!

Posted on Oct 28, 2009, 11:08 PM

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idc:

KevinOK, you have tried an Ikea table and the floor and from that you have reached the conclusion that it is not worth getting an expensive rack. Can I repectfully suggest that you try an expensive rack before concluding it is not worthwhile!

You're correct that I can't be sure a rack won't make a difference, since I haven't tested one.

But that doesn't make my test, or my conclusion, invalid. The two surfaces I tried couldn't be more different. Given that people apparently hear sonic differences between different racks and are able to describe these differences with great detail, it's reasonable to assume that if I could, I would have at least noticed a difference as well. I can't, so a rack is most likely not worth an investment to me. 

One thing that's important though, I'm not using a cdp but an EMU-0404 soundcard as a source, might be one of many reasons why it doesn't make a difference to my situation.

Posted on Oct 28, 2009, 11:31 PM

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All I can say is that you are missing out. Big time.
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Posted on Oct 29, 2009, 11:33 AM

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Thanks Joel and IDC. I appreciate your efforts to convert me. I've certainly become less sceptical, if not an all out believer in everything rack reviews try to tell me. But at the moment I can think of lots of things that can be upgraded first that imho would make more difference (it's a long and expensive list), before considering a rack again. One day..

Posted on Nov 01, 2009, 10:13 PM

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KevinOK:
. I've certainly become less sceptical, if not an all out believer in everything rack reviews try to tell me. ..


Without sounding like an old fart, the history to this can make it a little clearer as to why this ‘industry’ of racks has evolved.


In the good old days of separates, record decks and separate amps , many people placed their kit with the deck say, on the amp and the book shelf speakers on hmmm book shelves.


The move from the book shelf to the speaker stand improved and controlled things.


The close proximity of the amp to the record deck also introduces ‘coupling’ between the amp and deck, ( mainly attributed to the EM field of the transformer and the cartridge)


I had a shelving with what I thought was a reasonable distance between the amp and deck, but when needing to dismantle the set up I played it with the amp further away from the record deck and there was a noticeable improvement, much to my amazement.


The amp then stayed at a much lower height and further away.


This can then be extrapolated to a lesser degree for other sources such as CD players with suffer from microphony, ( the effect of vibration upon electronic components).


Having said all this most of the benefits can be achieved by separation and mounts that isolate the relevant equipment.


Multiple shelves in racks are a convenient solution ( and also a compromise), if done well, but equipment on separate supports will always be the optimum solution.


Be aware that the ‘industry’ is about self perpetuation; other wise it would die, so buy with your ears and in a lot of cases for stands that are made well, with your eyes!!


Matt


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