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bigboss:

brettweir:

so money talks. i dunno, with b&o and leowe your paying for the name and design. reviews don't set the world alight. your paying for the prestige not necessarily the picture. maybe kuro's were the best

Even I used to think that way until a couple of months ago when I went to Selfridges (where else?) to look at Loewe & B&O. I was stunned......the pictures were beautiful, pin sharp & the colours were glorious. Every component that goes into making these TVs are of a very high standard,

And where (or rather who) do B&O get their display panels from? They probably looked good because they've been set up properly, unlike most cheaper retailers who don't bother

& these TVs are built to last. Coupled with industry leading customer service, they have built a very strong reputation. Ofcourse, you pay a premium for a premium product. Think of it as a Rolex or an Omega, & the other mainstream brands like a Casio & Timex........you get the picture, right?

Rolex aren't particularly great timekeepers, my missus has a Rolex, she went to a dealer once to get it serviced because it kept losing time, the dealer jokingly asked if it was a fake (it is) and then said he knew it wasn't because if it was a fake it'd probably have a Timex movement in it, which, in his opinion, was more accurate than the Rolex movement was...

the_lhc:

bigboss:

brettweir:

so money talks. i dunno, with b&o and leowe your paying for the name and design. reviews don't set the world alight. your paying for the prestige not necessarily the picture. maybe kuro's were the best

Even I used to think that way until a couple of months ago when I went to Selfridges (where else?) to look at Loewe & B&O. I was stunned......the pictures were beautiful, pin sharp & the colours were glorious. Every component that goes into making these TVs are of a very high standard,

And where (or rather who) do B&O get their display panels from? They probably looked good because they've been set up properly, unlike most cheaper retailers who don't bother

& these TVs are built to last. Coupled with industry leading customer service, they have built a very strong reputation. Ofcourse, you pay a premium for a premium product. Think of it as a Rolex or an Omega, & the other mainstream brands like a Casio & Timex........you get the picture, right?

Rolex aren't particularly great timekeepers, my missus has a Rolex, she went to a dealer once to get it serviced because it kept losing time, the dealer jokingly asked if it was a fake (it is) and then said he knew it wasn't because if it was a fake it'd probably have a Timex movement in it, which, in his opinion, was more accurate than the Rolex movement was...

It's not about nit-picking brands & show their faults. I know nothing about designer watches. I just gave a couple of examples. The point is, B&O & Loewe are designer brands. Designer brands are many times more expensive than the mainstream brands. It does not mean that they're many times better.

Kuro is easily the best TV ever. I have one. But it's unfair to dismiss B&O & Loewe. They're certainly not value for money. They don't even pretend to be. But no one can deny that they make some of the best looking TVs around, & their components are of a very high standard. There is a big market for them.

Check Andrew's post in one of the other threads: http://community.whathifi.com/forums/post/23475.aspx

the_lhc:

And where (or rather who) do B&O get their display panels from?

Samsung in the case of the LCDs, Panasonic for the plasmas.

And where (or rather from whom) does the company get all its picture-processing technology?

It doesn't: it develops it in house, as well as building all the other components, major and minor, machining and anodising all that metal, offering unparalleled aftersales service...

the_lhc:

And where (or rather who) do B&O get their display panels from? They probably looked good because they've been set up properly, unlike most cheaper retailers who don't bother

That's exactly my point! B&O pays attention to detail. Their engineering is solid. They're not built to a budget, so they don't overlook little things. You get a high quality product. Not the best TV around PQ wise, but certainly one of the best built TVs.

staggerlee:

Should we really be discussing the Kuro now that it no longer exists ?

maxflinn:

whats worrying is why its still the best , its been around a while now ..

Seriously, the TV industry has taken a big step backward in terms of improving the technology with the demise of the Kuro. We're talking about other TVs matching Kuro's performance in the next 1 or 2 years..............If Pioneer still made TVs, imagine what the 10th & 11th generation Kuros would be like!!

Before they shut down, they were working on an incredibly thin plasma TV with deeper blacks than the 9th generation Kuro!

the_lhc, what exactly does your avatar show? Looks like a very angry man

Is it a painting?

bigboss:

the_lhc:

And where (or rather who) do B&O get their display panels from? They probably looked good because they've been set up properly, unlike most cheaper retailers who don't bother

That's exactly my point! B&O pays attention to detail. Their engineering is solid.

I'm not talking about engineering, I'm talking about just having the TV set to decent picture settings, rather than "LOOK AT ME" dynamic settings.

They're not built to a budget, so they don't overlook little things. You get a high quality product. Not the best TV around PQ wise, but certainly one of the best built TVs.

Whoa, hang on Mr U-Turn!  We've all been talking about picture quality, you even said you were stunned by the pictures, we're not talking about the best built TV, just the one that gives the best picture (Which is why things like electrostatic speakers are an irrelevance.).

TheHomeCinemaCentre:

IMO the top three screens right now - excluding the Pioneer - would be the Sharp 65XS1, the Panasonic 54Z1 and the Sony 55X4500  in that order.

The B&O and Loewe screens do not compare in my experience but things may have changed in the last 6 months or so.