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[quote user="Simonty"]Oh dear, the classic "it's heavy so it's scientific" approach. [/quote]

More of an acoustically deadened approach actually. They did clang a bit before.

[quote user="Simonty"]Try a bit more reading and a bit less flaming please.[/quote] 

You did the flaming.
 

[quote user="rowemeister"]

First of all the mains loop (from socket to sub station and back again) at our building is 0.14 ohms. I then get a standard mains lead and measure each wire (L N E) and they are usually 0.3 - 0.5 ohms per wire.

Thats higher than the impeadence of the local loop!!!!!

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 Which will cause a completely undetectable and insignificant IR voltage drop, far less than the sag under load of the average unregulated PSU. So what? If you were worried you could have used a thicker kettle type lead and saved yourself a wad of cash.
 

[quote user="rowemeister"]

First of all the mains loop (from socket to sub station and back again) at our building is 0.14 ohms. I then get a standard mains lead and measure each wire (L N E) and they are usually 0.3 - 0.5 ohms per wire.

Thats higher than the impeadence of the local loop!!!!!

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 Which will cause a completely undetectable and insignificant IR voltage drop, far less than the sag under load of the average unregulated PSU. So what? If you were worried you could have used a thicker kettle type lead and saved yourself a wad of cash.
 

I have two questions for you

#1 - Have you ever tried a good mains cable on your cd and/or amp (for more than a few mins)?

#2 - Have you ever actually experimented and come back with any tests that actually prove cables DON'T work?

It's all very well saying things don't work. But can you prove it!

Brent

#1 - Have you ever tried a good mains cable on your cd and/or amp (for more than a few mins)?

#2 - Have you ever actually experimented and come back with any tests that actually prove cables DON'T work?

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My cables do work already. 100%. Changing them to a pretty make won't change that because they aren't in the signal path. What is there to hear? The idea is absurdist nonsense.
 

#1 - Have you ever tried a good mains cable on your cd and/or amp (for more than a few mins)?

#2 - Have you ever actually experimented and come back with any tests that actually prove cables DON'T work?

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My cables do work already. 100%. Changing them to a pretty make won't change that because they aren't in the signal path. What is there to hear? The idea is absurdist nonsense.
 

By the way 50Hz is a 'signal' which also carries noise on it at different frequencies. The 50Hz is a carrier for the other frequencies

Brent

Brent

 But Thaiman, nearly all the large threads on this forum have revolved around one individual who has got mixed up with science and scientific dogma. To quote physics on one hand and ignore scientific methodology on the other is not the basis of an good or fair argument. The core of science is to have a modal or theory and the say that this theory needs to be shot down by logical argument and experimentation. In doing so a better theory will be born.

Not satisfied that he was backing his view by taking science out of context went to to ridicule other view points.

When presented with a logical and scientifically based  counter argument he simply sidestepped it (or ignored it). Are you surprised that this thread is this long.

But after 6..7..pages we all should know it will going no where! but Oldphart has been ban again so this thread might come to the end as by the look of thing it's only me and him that sceptic about power cables.

Nah mate, I'm sceptical as well, especially about just a cable that has no built in filtering.  I think anything that does some filtering could, if your mains is dodgy, make a difference.  I haven't done any listening tests but nearly all my leads are captive and even though it's been noted that I could hack stuff apart, that feels like at least one step too far to me.

My mind remains open - as it must since I have insufficient evidence upon which to make a judgment.

:-)

 [quote user="jimwall"]

Nah mate, I'm sceptical as well, especially about just a cable that has no built in filtering.  I think anything that does some filtering could, if your mains is dodgy, make a difference.  I haven't done any listening tests but nearly all my leads are captive and even though it's been noted that I could hack stuff apart, that feels like at least one step too far to me.

My mind remains open - as it must since I have insufficient evidence upon which to make a judgment.

:-)

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Two key words/themes there  :

• sceptical
• mind remains open

Sounds like you are back "Oldpht" ?

I have never tested mains cables my self but ( in the interests of keeping a scientifically open mind) am preparid to test it. before passing judgement

The really sad people are those who do pass judgement without testing it first. There are several of those born every minute. I am not sure if thats a hoot or something profoundly sad.

Sounds like you are back "Oldpht" ?

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Can't be - that would be ban-dodging, and the user would get deleted instantly if that was happening...