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professorhat:

Gotta say congrats to Ginder for turning a thread about LCD TVs into an XBox vs PS3 contest!!

Ravey Gravey Davy:

professorhat:

Gotta say congrats to Ginder for turning a thread about LCD TVs into an XBox vs PS3 contest!!

Well he failed on the trading standards/6 yr warranty legislation so it had to go somewhere.

Ravey Gravey Davy:

professorhat:

Gotta say congrats to Ginder for turning a thread about LCD TVs into an XBox vs PS3 contest!!

Well he failed on the trading standards/6 yr warranty legislation so it had to go somewhere.

Ginder:

Ravey Gravey Davy:

professorhat:

Gotta say congrats to Ginder for turning a thread about LCD TVs into an XBox vs PS3 contest!!

Well he failed on the trading standards/6 yr warranty legislation so it had to go somewhere.

Failed hey? I put the relevant legislature up, i guess ignorance is bliss for some ppl haha

You have obviously missed my reply  post on the subject.See page 18.,so yes ignorance is bliss eh.

marineman:

I have a 40W4500,  and the picture is fantastic. BETTER than my mates Panasonic TH42PX80B.

Ginder:

professorhat:

Gotta say congrats to Ginder for turning a thread about LCD TVs into an XBox vs PS3 contest!!

I have done no such thing, i was merely pointing out the strategies of two leading companies in regards to how they deal with their consumers.

It's also a strange concept to me to not buy one item from a company because a few people you don't even know have had issues with another product made by the same company. With this strategy in mind and, since I'm sure just about every manufacturer has at some point given bad service to a number of their customers, surely this means you can now no longer buy anything from the major brands?

Ginder:

I dont hear anyone complaining about other LCD manufacturers.

King of Kings:

Ginder:

Whoever thought Sony would come up with a proper solution must have been dreaming. I already said Sony have lost their bottle. Its not a matter of quality any more, once the electronics giant but now just interested in a quick buck. Everyone ripped into Microsoft with the Xbox360, atleast they issued replacements and repairs for the red light problem and extended the warranty to over a year for that problem. Sony does nto care about the ppl that buy their products, just recently they released the new PSP3000 which also has screen problems. Sony also gave a comment on that saying in a way that the screen if fine (when its not) and all the reviewers are wrong. Recalling a product would cost too much and for SOny to admit that there is fault in these sets would be like shooting themselves in the foot, especially in the current financial climate. They also make a loss on every PS3 they sell and considering they are so far behind in the consoles race so cnt afford to recall products. Thing is they can only make money on the PS3 if ppl buy games as then they get some kind of loyalty from each game tht is sold. Since many ppl just buy it as a bluray player and have at most 3-4 games then thats not possible. I was gonna buy a PS3 but with Sony's attitude towards the customer i dont think il be forkin out on another Sony product again. I just hope the little patch of cloud i had on my tv the other day doesnt get worse. I tend to switch off my tv now whenver im not in the room just so that it stays cool. Dont knw if it helps but i didnt notice any cloud at all yesterday...

 

What a complete load of tosh this post is!    How do you know any other Manufacturer offers service that is any better?

If you dont get the PS3 - you're settling for a 2nd rate machine.   Are they behind in the console race? - everyone I know has one.

I think all Manufacturers produce the odd duff model every now and again and unfortunately it appears to be the W4500 but Ive never had any problems with any of their products.

 

professorhat:

Ginder:

professorhat:

Gotta say congrats to Ginder for turning a thread about LCD TVs into an XBox vs PS3 contest!!

I have done no such thing, i was merely pointing out the strategies of two leading companies in regards to how they deal with their consumers.

Fair enough, may not have been your intention in this instance, but it certainly reads that way. Given this and your other posts which generally praise the Xbox and slate the PS3, you can see why I made the link.

It's also a strange concept to me to not buy one item from a company because a few people you don't even know have had issues with another product made by the same company. With this strategy in mind and, since I'm sure just about every manufacturer has at some point given bad service to a number of their customers, surely this means you can now no longer buy anything from the major brands?

rewerb:

marineman:

I have a 40W4500,  and the picture is fantastic. BETTER than my mates Panasonic TH42PX80B.

And so it should be. The W4500 is towards the top of the Sony range (second only to the Z range) and costs around £900, whereas the the PX80 is bottom of the Panny range, HD Ready only, and costs around £600 .

I bet the PX80 is better for SD pictures playing fast motion action.

D.J.Krime. - I was the one who said that your comments were not helpful. Just advocating a plasma on each of your posts does nothing to help the people who have already purchased one of these TV's which is exhibiting clouding problems.

I do not want to enter into a forum battle with you, I just wish you could place yourself in the position of having spent a lot of money on a product you feel is defective or not performing as you would expect, only to hear that Sony say that it is a characteristic of LCD's and that you now stand less of a chance of getting a resolution or having to work hard to get your retailer to exchange or refund.

Personally, I am somewhat saddened by the Sony statement as I would love to have purchased one of these TV's, but now will hold off and look in another direction.

 If this was a characteristic of LCD's, has this been a big problem for other manufacturers over recent years ?

Highway:

If this was a characteristic of LCD's, has this been a big problem for other manufacturers over recent years ?

Don't get me wrong, I personally think some of these clouding issues are unacceptable, but unfortunately, the manufacturers seem to disagree. My point is, it isn't just this model which has the issues, or even just Sony. It just seems that this is the model everyone is talking about at the moment, presumably because on the back of various awards, it's one of the most popular. I agree with you though, the clouding issue is pretty serious when you enjoy watching films in the dark, and is one of the reasons I went for a plasma screen.

I think someone else said it best on another post when they had an issue which the manufacturer didn't class as faulty as they had a few dead pixels. In the end, their retailer swapped it out for a new model even though they didn't have to because they knew the value of good service to the customer. This just enforces getting a good relationship with your dealer and buying from them rather than going for the lowest cost, worst service option.

Very Annoyed:

In my opinion the only time Sony were market leaders on TVs was when they were making the old CRT televisions. Their Trinitron , 1 gun tube blew spots off the competition and was worth every extra penny. My old 28" blew up last year after 14 years trouble free service, and my 22" lasted 18 years before it packed up.

I still have an old 14” Sony Trinitron,   and the picture is fantastic. I would love to take it down to Comet and set it up, and see how it compares with all the new flat screen Tvs. I bet I would have people wanting to buy it.

I've taken down the backlight from 8 (which I personally felt was buring my retina.) to 2/3.

Picture is still awesome but the bit of clouding in the corner has almost gone. TV has been on about an hour and a half. Somewhat happier.

Anyone else had chance to try these advised setting.

michael_walkden:

I've taken down the backlight from 8 (which I personally felt was buring my retina.) to 2/3.

 

Picture is still awesome but the bit of clouding in the corner has almost gone. TV has been on about an hour and a half. Somewhat happier.

 

Anyone else had chance to try these advised setting.

Hi, hows yours compared to mine (pics at top of last page), i turn my backlight down straight away to 4 and below, i always had the light sensor on and as for the power saving the options on mine are: standard (using), reduced, and picture off, not sure what difference that would make.