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Slowy getting the bits together for the amps. The heatsinks arrived today. Hmmmmmm. Tasty. £13.34 delivered for both. They are 160mm wide, 40mm high and 50mm long.


FISCHER ELEKTRONIK - SK 85/50 SA - HEAT SINK, 50MM, 1.4°C/W

Can't wait to see the finished product and find out how good it sounds! 

Martyp:

Can't wait to see the finished product and find out how good it sounds! 

Same here!

Got some new bits......

I wanted a elegant solution for the IEC power inlet, switch and fuse holders for these amps. These components form the bulk of the gubbins which are on the 240v side of the transformer, so I wanted it to be nice and easy.

I've gone for power inlet modules which combine all of the above components into a single unit. The particular model I have gone for also provides a RF filter. It's all packaged in a nice, shielded, aluminium case with all the internal bits fully enscapsulated. Oh, and it's a dual pole switch....meaning that both live and neutral are "broken" when you turn it off.

The fuse drawer has to be bought separately. It is possible to use dual fuses, but it has been pointed out that fusing both live and neutral is not recommended in the UK. If the fuse on the neutral blows, the device would appear to be off but potentially could still be shorting the case from the live. So, I had to get a fuse drawer which is provided with a shorting bar for the neutral side.

Anyway, I went for a Swiss made unit (Schurter). Really well made. Fab quality and a bit less than £20 each including fuse drawer. Note: the Standard Filter version is regarded as more suitable for audio than the Medical Filter version.


Schurter DD12.9121.111 Power Inlet Module with Schurter 4301.1413 Fingergrip Fuse Drawer (shorting bar in the neutral side).


Aluminium Shielding

I might actually get round to putting some of this together soon. After all, I've got a new headphone amp arriving in August. Trouble is, I still don't have any speakers.

PJPro:

Oh, and it's a dual pole switch....meaning that both live and neutral are "broken" when you turn it off.

The fuse drawer has to be bought separately. It is possible to use dual fuses, but it has been pointed out that fusing both live and neutral is not recommended in the UK. If the fuse on the neutral blows, the device would appear to be off but potentially could still be shorting the case from the live. So, I had to get a fuse drawer which is provided with a shorting bar for the neutral side.

Everybody got that? 

Good, let's move on then. 

tractorboy:

Everybody got that? 

If you look at the picture called Aluminium Shielding (above) you can see the circuit diagram.

The power comes in from the LINE side. On the L (live) side you can see F1 (fuse) and another on the N (neutral) side (F2). These fuses are contained within the fuse drawer show in the first picture. The spring thing is the shorting bar.

The next component on the diagram, beyond the fuses, is the switch. You can see the two "gates" which isolate the LOAD side of the module from the LINE side.

Does this help?

I could nevr do that - good on you

However you may be able to help me - see my recent post on burn in issues with the beresford 7520

Stan did a factory upgrade with the op amps - I woudn't be in your league .

but I have bought an upgrade psu - the only trouble is I'm not sure what the polarity of the dac is and apparently the instructions on the psu upgrade box say I need to !

  Does it matter ? or is it just plug and play ?

Cheers

Errr, this is a bit outside of the scope of this thread......but my 7510 is positive on the inner contact. Double check with chebby.

PJPro:

......One important consideration is that no metal parts must pierce the case. The plug and sockets which I use are designed to be screw/bolt attached. To get around this I have glued the plug and socket onto the case. Alternatively, one could use plastic bolts.
.......

I was never very happy with the gluing, so took the opportunity to buy some nylon nuts and bolts when out shopping for bits for the power amps. Here's a piccy...


Nylon nuts and bolts secure the IEC inlet

A quick update with progress....

The feet I bought are rubbish. I've finally had to face that. Anyway, accepting that fact has made me rethink the false bottom. Rather than use those small aluminium blocks, I've used full length rails onto which to fix the false bottom.


False bottoms fixed

I needed to lay the components out on the false bottom to decide where to drill the holes to secure them in place. The first step towards this was to attach the standoffs to the PCBs.


Fixing stainless standoffs to one of the Power Supply Units

Once all the standoffs were in place, I could start to arrange the components onto the false bottom until I found an arrangement I liked. The goal here was to minimise the length of the interconnecting wires and to keep the audio signal path away from the noiser elements of the amps e.g. the transformer.


Laying out the components.

Once I was happy, I marked up the false bottom for drilling.


Marked up false bottom.

The drilling, deburring and tapping of holes actually took some time. I clamped the two false bottoms together, to arrive at a matching pair. So, once the drilling. deburring and tapping was finished, I thought I have a trial build.

Firstly, I bolted a chassis divider to a length of aluminium bar, which I then bolted to the case. This provides additional shielding for the more sensitive audio components from the power inlet and transformer.


Internal chassis divider.

The next to go in was the heatsink. This has been drilled and blind threads tapped into it from underneath, allowing the heatsink to be bolted to the false bottom.


Heatsink in place.

I put the transformer in next. This sits on top of a little mounting plate of 5mm thick aluminium, which allowed the wires to remain untrapped by it's own encapsulating case. A single bolt goes through the middle of the transformer, mounting plate and false bottom.


Transformer in place.

And finally, I fixed the PCBs and disconnecting network (more on this later) onto the false bottom. Clearly, it still needs to be wired together and there's one or two additional components which may yet be required (soft start circuit, DC blocking caps and high and low pass filters, etc), but essentially, the core elements are in place.


All major components in place

It's been some time since I provided an update and, to be honest, contribute to this forum at all. Why? I've been really busy trying to finalise the design of these amps. It's proved to be much more complex (and therefore expensive) than I thought. It's probably fair to say that my natural inclination to want to get things as near to prefect as possible hasn't helped. That's engineers for you!

So where am I? See the picture below.


Mono amplifier component layout and wiring.

I'll do a series of posts to cover each of the components in turn and try to explain what they contribute to the amplifier as a whole.

Power inlet module

The unit comprises of an IEC plug, fuse and switch. I've already posted a picture of this but I'll include one here for your convenience.


Power inlet module

The IEC plug provides a way of getting power into the case using an (incorrectly named) kettle lead.

The unit allows the use of dual fuses. As mentioned previously, in the UK only the live should be fused. Therefore, I have ordered a fuse drawer complete with shorting bar (the spring thingy). If a short occurs in the amp, you want the fuse in this drawer to blow.

You can work out the rating of the fuse using

       I = VA / V

where I is the current (amps), VA is the Volts Amps rating of the primary transformer and V is the mains voltage.

So, for my amp, VA = 160 and V = 240. Therefore I = 160 / 240 = 0.67A. The transformer should never draw more than this when working to it's maximum rating.

I've actually gone for a slow blow fuse rated a little higher at 0.8A. A slow blow fuse is necessary due to the sudden inrush of current when the amp is switched on. The transformer needs this current to get it's magnetic field going (so it'll actually do some transforming) and the large capacitors on the power supply add to this as they build up charge. Indeed, the sudden inrush of current will be sufficient to keep blowing the fuse everytime you switch on the amp. To get around this you can do a couple of things. You can up the rating for the fuse or you can add a soft start circuit.

If you up the rating of the fuse you risk high levels of heating within the case, should something go wrong. So, a 2A fuse will pass 4A for many seconds or minutes resulting in heating of up to 1kW until it blows (so I've been informed). This is bad. Very bad. So, I've gone for the soft start. I'll cover how this works in a future post.

The DPST (dual throw, single pole) switch acts as the main switch and cuts off all power to the case.


DPST Switch

The unit includes RF filtering circuitry. This prevents RF entering the case. Clearly, given it's size, it isn't going to compete with an Isotek substation. However, a clean(er) power supply won't hurt.

The unit is made by Schurter.

Safety Earth (SE)

The most important part of the entire amp. This prevents someone getting electrocuted by providing a path to earth for any shorts making contact with the case (rather than you or somebody else) and blowing the fuse in the power inlet module in the process.

My safety earth will be a stainless steel bolt, toothed washer, and nut which will mechanically fix the earth wire from the power inlet module to the case. It will service no other cable.

I'll also make sure that the wire is sufficiently long so that it is the last wire to come detached from the power inlet module should someone try to take the back off the case.

Safety is my prime concern with these amps and I am keen to ensure I get this aspect of the build correct.

Soft Start Circuit
This circuit's only job is to help limit the inrush of current when the amp is turned on thereby allowing the correct rated fuse to be used. It also prevents that thump through your speakers when you turn on the amp.

The circuit has it's own dedicated auxilllary power supply which is a 5VA, 9V toroidal tranformer. The basic circuit comprises of a bank of resistors, a relay and a relay control circuit.


Soft Start Resistors and Relay Contacts

Refering to the above picture, the mains live comes in at A. When the amp is switched on and while the relay is open, the primary transformer (located beyond SA) has to draw in the current it needs through the bank of resistors (R1, R2 & R3). The resistors, not surprisingly, resist the passage of this current....effecting the soft start. Once the relay (basically an electronically controlled switch) is closed, it shorts out the resistors, allowing the current to bypass the resistors...allowing full mains power to the primary transformer.

So, the key to soft starting is closing the relay at the correct moment....eg after the transformer has been given sufficient time to generate the required magnetic flux and the smoothing capacitors have been allowed to charge.

Well, the closing of the relay is achieved through knowledge of capacitor charging times and the impact of resistors on that charging time, which causes changes in circuit voltages to activate transistors which ultimately activate the relay i.e close it.

Alternatively, you can buy a PCB with instructions. I've gone for this one by Rod Elliot of ESP. As far as I can tell, Rod is well respected and his products (including this circuit) have been successfully used for some time within the DIY community.

Unfortunately (for this thread), he is fairly protective of his designs and I am unable to show detailed pictures of his PCB or even a schematic of the full purchased design. However, I don't think that level of detail will really be missed here.

What I can say is that Rod's design requires a switch (additional to the one on the power inlet module) to be incorporated into the overall circuit. So, I could have gone for a simple 240v 10A rated DTSP switch on the front panel. But where would be the fun in that?

I'll cover the switch I selected in the next post.

Incidentally, if when you turn on your amp you hear a number of small clicks, it's probably the relays activating as part of the soft start mechanism of the amp....although solid state relays (no moving parts) are becoming more widespread.